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John GREEN (c1796-1888) - #41 (52 Ancestors)

10/15/2015

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Green is one of my favorite colors, and it is a common enough surname that both Terry and I have it in our trees (but thankfully no connection has been found between these two groups so far). This surname dates back to at least the 1100s in England (Grene), and has several potential origins: someone who lived near a village green, or played the “Green Man” in May Day fertility celebrations, or liked to dress in green clothes.  There was no single source, but no matter which way you look at it, the common denominator is the colour green.  In the UK, this common surname was most prevalent in northern England and London but can be found in every county.

John GREEN, Terry’s 3-times-great grandfather, was born about 1796 in Surrey England, the son of John GREEN senior, the shoemaker.  John married Mary Ann in about 1814; we do not know her maiden name.  We believe they had six children.  I have already talked about their oldest daughter Mary Ann GREEN (1816-1862) who had 14 children with her husband Thomas BOORMAN in Wandsworth, Surrey (now part of London).  I'd now like to tell the story of her GREEN ancestors.

John GREEN is a very common name.  The number of associated records on ancestry is close to 3 million, so research on this line has been a challenge.  Fortunately we have a short compiled family history document written in the early 1950s by Caroline Winifred DYER, the great-granddaughter of John and Mary Ann GREEN, and the granddaughter of Thomas BOORMAN and Mary Ann nee GREEN.  Although she doesn’t list her GREEN ancestors' full names, Winifred's memoirs have given us first hand knowledge of their character and situation. These colorful clues have allowed us to piece together the bigger puzzle with greater certainty.  Winifred writes from her own perspective, starting with her BOORMAN / GREEN grandparents [I have inserted names in the following excerpts for clarity]:
... Before long [grandfather Thomas BOORMAN] became acquainted with Mary Ann GREEN, whose father was a tailor in Wandsworth High Street.  She was one of a family, and I think she was probably the eldest.  She certainly had two younger sisters, both still living in Wandsworth till I was pretty well grown up.  They were Aunt Hannah GREEN and Aunt Adelaide BERRYMAN.  Grandmother had also a younger brother, Uncle Fred [GREEN], who went off to Australia as a young man, but was never heard of again, and was believed to have been lost at sea on his way out. 

Grandmother Boorman
[Mary Ann nee GREEN] was well educated, having been to the best school in Wandsworth at the time. The large house where she went to school was still standing when I was a child and had an observatory on the roof.   She learnt French, and I had, as a child, the French Grammar book which she had used at school and which had been handed down to my mother.  One of the subjects in the school curriculum was described as ‘Geography and Use of the Globes, Terrestrial and Celestial’.  When crinolines came into fashion she set herself strongly against them and could not be persuaded to wear one, although they were so universally worn at that time, that she looked quite conspicuous without one.  She was good and affectionate and kind, but a little inclined to be sarcastic. She always addressed her husband as “My dear” and he always addressed her as “My love”.

Great-grandfather Green [John GREEN] was a cheerful and chatty man, small of stature, and in the habit of smoking a long Churchwarden pipe in the evenings.  Great-grandmother [Mary Ann] Green must, I think, have died before the younger daughters were grown up, or certainly while they were still at home, because Great-grandfather Green married again [to a Caroline Phillips] and I have understood that Aunts Hannah and Adelaide did not get on too well with their stepmother.  Great-grandfather Green and his second wife ended their days very comfortably in an Almshouse.  I think he was a Freeman of the City of London, but I am not clear about that and feel I may be mixing him up with some other story of my Mother’s.
The above extracts are filled with wonderful details about the family, and we have confirmed and expanded some of them through other documents.  A pivotal record in our research was the 1841 England census because it lists John GREEN, a tailor born 1796 in Surrey, living on High Street, Wandsworth with his wife Mary Ann (1796) and four children:  Rebecca (1821), John Jr. (1826 ), Frederick (1829 ) and Adelaide (1831 ).    It was the two children Frederick and Adelaide in the same household that actually drew our attention to this particular family, as they match two of Mary Ann’s siblings. The location and father’s occupation also match the family story.    But the family group was not complete in the census.  Where were their two daughters Mary Ann and Hannah in 1841?
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We know from the BOORMAN family bible (referenced in the Dyer memoirs) that Mary Ann nee GREEN was born on 16 Dec 1816.   I haven’t been able to find any further records of her childhood and education.  The family bible also states that Mary Ann GREEN married Thomas BOORMAN on 13 Sep 1836 at St Giles Camberwell in London.  So it makes sense that she had already left home.  In 1841 Mary Ann and her husband were found living nearby with their own young family on High Street in Wandsworth. ​
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BOORMAN family bible provides birth and marriage information for Mary Ann GREEN, daughter of John GREEN.
In 1841, Hannah GREEN was probably working as a servant for the COLEMAN family and living on the north side of Garratt Lane in Wandsworth. By 1851 she was back home, living with her father  John GREEN (tailor born 1796 in Middlesex) and his wife Caroline GREEN.  No other children were living at home.  This fits with the story of a stepmother. We then found the marriage of John GREEN widower to Caroline PHILLIPS, spinster daughter of Robert Phillips, which took place on 21 July 1849 at St Luke, Chelsea in London. I don't believe they had any children of their own.   In the 1861 census Hannah was age 36, still single and living with her father John (age 66) and stepmother Caroline (age 57).  Her single status coincides with the family story, which refers to Hannah by her maiden name even when she was older. 

The above family story also mentions Aunt Adelaide BERRYMAN nee GREEN.  Indeed there was a marriage of an Adelaide Amelia GREEN to a George BERRYMAN in the Stepney Registration District of London and Middlesex in the June quarter of 1857.  George was a widower, working in sales for a tailer in Wandsworth in 1851.  He was considerable older than Adelaide who was working for him as a shop woman or servant even before they married.  They had one son George who likely died without issue.
What about Uncle Fred?  Was he really lost at sea on his way to Australia?  In 1841, Frederick GREEN was still only twelve years old and living with his parents, but after that the record trail goes dry.  Although the name Frederick GREEN (and its many variations) does appear on Australia passenger lists starting in the 1850s, the records lack enough details to be conclusive.  As one researcher puts it: "“Uncle Fred  being lost at sea” might not be true. I found an Unassisted Immigration Passenger list with a Frederick Green listed just below a Thomas William Robson. I don’t know if it is the same person but it wasn’t uncommon to run away and ‘reinvent’ ones self back then and I couldn’t find a death listing for him. It’s also curious having the name Robson on the same document."  [Robsons later married into the Boorman line, so perhaps there were some earlier connections?].  For now this mystery remains.
PictureBelieved to be the last residence of John and Caroline GREEN.
Courtesy of victorianlondon.org
Details of John’s first wife’s death or burial are not yet known with certainty, perhaps in 1845 or 1847, and certainly before 1849.  A promising burial for Mary Ann GREEN on 27 Dec 1847 in All Saints Wandsworth lists her age as 56 (so born about 1791 rather than 1796).  Ages in the 1841 census are usually rounded down, and if this really is our Mary Ann, perhaps she didn’t want to appear older than her husband.  In spite of this age variation  I am hopeful this is the right Mary Ann.

By 1871, John and and his second wife Caroline GREEN were living on their own at 10 Tailor’s Asylum, St Pancras parish, Kentish Town in London.  This facility was built in 1843 by the Tailors Benevolent Institution for the Relief of Aged and Infirm Journeymen Tailors.  Each qualifying retired journeyman tailor was assigned an apartment of two furnished rooms, coals and medical attendance, and received a pension of  £26 per year (rates as of 1890).  Somehow the word “asylum” doesn’t seem the right choice for such a facility.  The word “almshouse", used in the family story, is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as “a house founded by private charity, for the reception and support of the (usually aged) poor”. This seems appropriate for John GREEN’s circumstances, although until now I had incorrectly equated "almshouses" with "workhouses" or "poorhouses", and therefore feared the worst.   According to Wikipedia, “poorhouses” were for paupers, mainly elderly and disabled people, who were supported at public expense. They could be associated with prisons or other penal or charitable public institutions.  Tailors’ Asylum doesn’t appear to be such a place.  I certainly hope that both John and Caroline "ended their days very comfortably" as the family story says.

It is possible that John’s second wife Caroline also died before him.  We have found a death registration for Caroline GREEN at the age of 67 later in 1871 in the Pancras district - the most likely death record as both the age and location match, although not yet proven. Seventeen years later, John GREEN was buried on 11 Jun 1888 in Tooting Graveney, Wandsworth, having reached the advanced age of 92.   Looking at a map of southern England, both Wandsworth (where John lived and worked as a tailer) and nearby Tooting Graveney (where he was buried) are both south of the winding Thames River and Battersea Park.  Haversack Hill (where the Tailors Asylum was located) and the St Pancras parish are north of the Thames and Buckingham Palace near Regent’s Park.  I think it possible that John GREEN died while living at Tailors Asylum, but his death was registered in the Wandsworth district in the second quarter of 1888.  I don’t yet have his death certificate to clarify the location.

Was this John GREEN a Freeman of the City of London?  Such freedom was customarily granted to many who had achieved success, recognition or celebrity in their chosen field.  John's working career as a tailor was spent in Wandsworth Surrey, across the river from London.  If John's business extended as far as London, and especially if  he was a member of the early "Merchant Taylor" livery (trade association) of London, he might have had reason to apply or be nominated for freedom to do trade and vote within the London square mile.  More research on this is needed.

In 1851, tailors were the 11th most popular occupation in England, although numbers and ranking decreased in later census, perhaps because of increased demand for cheaper readymade clothing for the growing middle class. We do know that John was a skilled journeyman tailer and received a small tailor's pension and housing in London (away from Wandsworth) upon retirement. He was not a rich man after all his labours.  But he lived a long life, and if family stories are to be believed, he was a cheerful and chatty man, deserving of loving family and friends.



REFERENCES and FURTHER READING

​GREEN Name Meaning - ancestry site
GREEN and GREENE Surname - surname database site
Occupations in 1851, 1861, 1871 England census - victorian web site
Tailors Benevolent Institution for the Relief of Aged and Infirm - victorian London site
"The Charities Register and Digest", 1890, page 777, Tailors Benevolent Institution - google book
The Almshouse Association - almshouses site
The Workhouse History in England - workhouses site
Freedom of the City of London - city of London site
Livery Company - wikipedia
The Guild of Freemen of the City of London - their guild site

I have posted additional  information on my BOORMAN  families elsewhere on this website.

"52 Ancestors" is a reference to the "52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks" challenge I am participating in.  
Reference the No Story Too Small blog by genealogist Amy Johnson Crow for more details.  
It is giving me  the much needed incentive to write and publish my family stories.
4 Comments
Joanne Barnard
10/17/2015 03:51:18 pm

Another great story, Claudia. I also have the Green name in my family tree but not connected to yours as far as I know. I appreciated learning the distinction between poorhouse and almshouse - I had also thought they were almost synonymous. And I really loved the gal who wouldn't adopt the crinoline - fashion can be crazy!

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Claudia Boorman
10/18/2015 11:37:27 am

Yes, so many Green people, everywhere! It really would be a small world if were connected.

I too love to learn about people's idiosyncrasies and personalities, especially when they're strong minded and even stubborn. You'd have to be both to ban the crinoline in the face of public censor! I too love Mary Ann's sarcasm - shows she had a sense of humour too. As this kind of personal info isn't included in your standard census and vital stats record, I treasure the much rarer family stories that let us peak into their day to day lives even just a little bit. It brings them more "alive" :)

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Celia Lewis link
10/17/2015 04:10:01 pm

Fascinating story - how on earth you managed to figure out "your" John Green, is quite interesting! The Almshouses were quite satisfactory support homes for the elderly poor, supported by alms [donations]. I've run across this in two lines of a friend's family tree. One of mine ended up in a poorhouse unfortunately - definitely not a satisfactory place to live!
Thanks for posting - very interesting reading.

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Claudia Boorman
10/18/2015 11:49:52 am

Thanks Celia - great to know about your experience with researching both alms and poor houses.

I must admit that I can't take credit for the initial find of siblings Frederick and Adelaide in the 1841 census, although I knew of the tactic and have expanded on the initial find to more thoroughly build this family. But without these names in the family story as a starting point, I doubt if it would have been possible at all. I love collaboration and lucky breaks!

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