LISLE, BECONSAW and WHITAKER Genealogy
plus HUNGERFORD, BERKELEY, BOND, DESPENSER, DENNIS, PLANTAGENET
These branches connect to Claudia's COMPTON maternal lines.
LISLE Family Tree - Anthony LISLE & Elizabeth DORMER - 12 Generation Family Tree
Additional information in blog articles for:
Lord John Lisle, 1609-1664
Lady Alice Beconsaw Lisle, 1617-1685
LISLE Family Tree - Anthony LISLE & Elizabeth DORMER - 12 Generation Family Tree
Additional information in blog articles for:
Lord John Lisle, 1609-1664
Lady Alice Beconsaw Lisle, 1617-1685
Claudia's 9-times-great grandparents Lord John LISLE (1609-1664) and Lady Alice BECONSAW (1617-1685) are both notorious in their own right. Both had aristocratic beginnings, but risked it all when they aligned themselves with Cromwell and the anti-royalists, as well as the religious non-conformists. For more intrigue about these 2 ancestors, read my blog stories about Lord John Lisle's regicide and Lady's Alice Beconsaw Lisle's beheading. Their daughter Margaret LISLE (1643-1686) also married a non-conformist Robert WHITAKER (1637-1683).
Here is Claudia's maternal pedigree leading back to this LISLE and BECONSAW couple:
- Mother - Mabel Marion ANDREW (1918-2000)
- Grandparents - Harry Charles ANDREW (1889-1985) + Eleanor Louise "Nell" RICHARDSON (1894-1992)
- 1G grandparents - Harriet Washbourne COMPTON (1849-1923) + William ANDREW (1848-1920)
- 2G grandparents - Albert Harry COMPTON (1823-1889) + Mary Robinson COATES (1827-1905) ALSO Eliza Pring COMPTON (1833-1890, sister of Albert Harry) + George COMPTON (1835-1903) [For explanation of triple Compton connection - see COMPTON page.]
- 3G grandparents - Thomas Compton COMPTON (c1789-1850) + Hannah JEFFERY (1790-1871)
- 4G grandparents - Charlotte Lisle NEWMAN (1760-1789) + Harry Childeroy COMPTON [see COMPTON Family Tree
- 5G grandparents - Joanna WHITAKER (1730-1790) + Arthur NEWMAN (1727-1785)
- 6G grandparents - Jeremiah WHITAKER Jr. (1707- ) + Joanna KITTIER / HELLIER ()
- 7G grandparents - Jeremiah WHITAKER (1679-1719) + Ann Haskell (1681-1718)
- 8G grandparents - Margaret LISLE (1643-1686) + Robert WHITAKER (1637-1683)
- 9G grandparents - Lord John LISLE (1609-1664) + Lady Alice BECONSAW (1617-1685)
Much is already posted online about Lord John's paternal LISLE ancestors, and even more about his maternal HUNGERFORD ancestors. But not everyone agrees on the details!
See below for continuing descents by surname, including some Plantagenet royal connections!
LISLE, de INSULA
"The Complete Peerage" series of books published in the late 1800s lists several different Lisle peerages, including one in the Isle of Wight. But these editions do not list my 9th great grandfather Lord John Lisle (1609-1664). In a later edition of The Complete Peerage, volume 4, 1916, buried in an Appendix G relating to ‘The Protectorate House of Lords, commonly known as Cromwell’s “Other House,” 1657-1659’, our John is listed on page 622 as John Lisle, Regicide, of Moyles Court, Ellingham, Southants, son and heir of Sir William Lisle of Wootton, Isle of Wight, by Bridge, daughter of Sir John Hungerford of Down Ampney, Gloucester; b. 1609 … and otherwise provides information on his lifetime and not his ancestors. No title is referenced.
Other sources claim to have traced this LISLE lineage back even further to about 1170 when they were known as “de Insula” The surname “LISLE” doesn't appear to have been used until sometime in the 1400s.
Tentatively continuing the above LISLE line:
"The Complete Peerage" series of books published in the late 1800s lists several different Lisle peerages, including one in the Isle of Wight. But these editions do not list my 9th great grandfather Lord John Lisle (1609-1664). In a later edition of The Complete Peerage, volume 4, 1916, buried in an Appendix G relating to ‘The Protectorate House of Lords, commonly known as Cromwell’s “Other House,” 1657-1659’, our John is listed on page 622 as John Lisle, Regicide, of Moyles Court, Ellingham, Southants, son and heir of Sir William Lisle of Wootton, Isle of Wight, by Bridge, daughter of Sir John Hungerford of Down Ampney, Gloucester; b. 1609 … and otherwise provides information on his lifetime and not his ancestors. No title is referenced.
Other sources claim to have traced this LISLE lineage back even further to about 1170 when they were known as “de Insula” The surname “LISLE” doesn't appear to have been used until sometime in the 1400s.
Tentatively continuing the above LISLE line:
- 9G grandparents - Lord John LISLE (1609-1664) + Lady Alice BECONSAW (1617-1685)
- 10G grandparents - Sir William LISLE (1569-1637) + Bridget HUNGERFORD (1565- )
- 11G grandparents - Anthony LISLE (1540-1595) + Elizabeth DORMER (1544-1594) ...
- 12G grandparents - Thomas LISLE + Mary MOORE
- 13G grandparents - Lancelot LISLE + Anne WROUGHTON
- 14G grandparents - John de LISLE + Christiana de TISTED
- 15G grandparents - George de LISLE + Ann MONTGOMERY
- 16G grandparents - Sir John de LISLE / DE INSULA V, 6th Lord Lisle + Margaret / Margery BREMSHOTT / BRAMPSHOTT
- 17G grandparents - Sir John DE INSULA IV, 5th Lord Lisle + Elizabeth
- 18G grandparents - Sir John DE INSULA III, 4th Lord (afterwards 1st Lord Lisle of Rougemont) + Maud of EDYNTON
- 19G grandparents - Mary DE INSULA + Henry OGLANDER ( - 1345)
- 20G grandparents - Bartholomew DE INSULA (1308-1345) + Elizabeth de COURTENAY
- 21G grandparents - Sir John DE INSULA, 2nd Lord Lisle (1281-1331) + Roesia of THRUXTON
- 22G grandparents - Sir John DE INSULA, 1st Lord Lisle ( -1304) + Nicole de COLUMBERS
- 23G grandparents - Sir William DE INSULA ( -1277)
- 24G grandparents - Geoffrey DE INSULA, Lord of Manor ( -1252) + Hawise
- 25G grandparents - Walter DE INSULA,Lord of Wootton (1163-1244) + Margaret
- 26G grandparents - Geoffrey DE INSULA
- 27G grandparents - Jordan DE INSULA (c1080-1155) + Hawise
Sources and further reading:
"John Lisle, Regicide" Bio, British civil war site
'The Regicides", BCW Project site
"John Lisle" - Wikipedia
Sir John Lisle (1366-1408), History of Parliament site [his ancestors and heritage]
The Complete Peerage, Vol 4, 1916, Appendix G, p622 - John Lisle, Regicide, internet archives
History, De Insula of Wodyton c.1080 – 1837, Wootton Bridge Historical site
Pedigrees from the visitation of Hampshire made by Thomas Benolt... v.64 - 1530, 1575, and 1622-1634 [Lisle]
HUNGERFORD
Lord John LISLE's mother Bridget HUNGERFORD (1565- ) is said to descend from King Edward III of England. Sources vary as to how.
The following HUNGERFORD pedigree is unproven, with very tentative dates:
- 10G grandparents - Sir William LISLE (1569-1637) + Bridget HUNGERFORD (1565- )
- 11G grandparents - John HUNGERFORD (1566-1634) + Mary BERKELEY (1563-1628)
- 12G grandparents - Capt Anthony HUNGERFORD (1540-1594) + Bridget SHELLEY ( - 1621)
- 13G grandparents - Sir John HUNGEFORD ( -1582) + Lady Bridge FETTIPLACE
- 14G grandparents - Sir Anthony HUNGERFORD ( -1558)+ Jane DARELL
- 15G grandparents - John HUNGERFORD ( -1524) + Margaret BLOUNT ( -1530)
- 16G grandparents - Thomas HUNGERFORD (1450-1494) + Lady Christiana HALLE (1456-1504)
- 17G grandparents - Sir Edmund HUNGERFORD (1409-1484) + Margery BURNELL ( -1485)
- 18G grandparents - Sir Walter HUNGERFORD, 1st Lord of Hungerford (1378-1449) + Lady Katherine PEVERELL
Earlier names in the PEVERELL pedigree include COURTENAY, MOELS, DESPENSER.
BERKELEY
There are several interconnections in this BERKELEY line:
**Thomas Rich de BERKELEY - 2 brothers Thomas and Maurice are each my direct ancestors. This second BERKELEY descent for Thomas (not itemized above) involves a female - Anne Berkeley - whose daughter Isabel DENNIS married a BERKELEY relative.
DESPENSER, de CLARE, PLANTAGENET
The first royal connection:
DENNIS, BEAUFORT, PLANTAGENET
Another path back through the DENNIS and BEAUFORT lines leads to another royal connection:
There are several interconnections in this BERKELEY line:
- 11G grandparents - John HUNGERFORD (1566-1634) + Mary BERKELEY (1563-1628)
- 12G grandparents - Sir Richard BERKELEY (1531-1604) + Elizabeth Ann READE (-<1593)
- 13G grandparents - Sir John BERKELEY (1510-1546) + Isabel DENNIS ( ->1546) [triple connection]
- 14G grandparents - Richard BERKELEY (1470-1513) + Elizabeth CONINGSBY (1480-1546)
- 15G grandparents - Sir William BERKELEY (1436-1501) + Anne STAFFORD (1441->1503)
- 16G grandparents - Sir Maurice BERKELEY (1401-1464) + Eleanor MONTFORT
- 17G grandparents - Maurice BERKELEY (1358-1400) + Joan DINHAM (1361-1412) [her mother was Muriel de COURTENAY]
- 18G grandparents - Sir Thomas de BERKELEY (1334-<1361) + Katherine BOTETOURT ( -1388)
- 19G grandparents - Sir Maurice de BERKELEY (1298-1347) + Lady Margaret de VERE ( -1351)
AND his brother:
19G grandparents - **Thomas Rich de BERKELEY 3rd Lord Berkeley (1296-1361) + Lady Margaret de MORTIMER (1304-1337) - 20G grandparents - Maurice de BERKELEY 2nd Lord Berkeley (1281-1326) + Eve la ZOUCHE (1281-1314) AND his son
- 21G grandparents - Thomas de BERKELEY 1st Lord Berkeley (1251-1321) + Joan de FERRERS ( -1310)
- 22G grandparents - Maurice BERKELEY 5th Baron Berkeley (Feudal) (1218-1281) + Isabella PLANTAGENET
- 23G grandparents - Thomas BERKELEY 4th Baron Berkeley (Feudal) (1170-1243) + Joan SOMERY
- 24G grandparents - Maurice BERKELEY 2nd Baron Berkeley (Feudal) (1120-1190) + Alice BERKELEY (1135-1190)
- 25G grandparents - Robert FITZHARDING 1st Baron Berkeley (Feudal) (1096-1171) + Eva
- 26G grandparents - Harding FITZHARDING (1048-1125) + Lavinda
- 27G grandfather - Eadnoth the Constable ( -1068)
**Thomas Rich de BERKELEY - 2 brothers Thomas and Maurice are each my direct ancestors. This second BERKELEY descent for Thomas (not itemized above) involves a female - Anne Berkeley - whose daughter Isabel DENNIS married a BERKELEY relative.
- 13G grandparents - Isabel DENNIS ( ->1546) + Sir John BERKELEY (1510-1546) [triple connection]
- 14G grandparents - Anne BERKELEY ( ->1523) + Sir William DENNIS (1470-1533) [double connection]
- 15G grandparents - Sir Maurice BERKELEY 3rd Lord Berkeley (1435-1506) + Isabel MEADE (1444-1514)
- 16G grandparents - James BERKELEY 1st OR 6th Lord Berkeley (1394-1463) + Lady Isabel MOWBRAY, widow Ferrers ( -1452)
- 17G grandparents - Sir James BERKELEY (1354-1405) + Elizabeth BLUET (1358-1420)
- 18G grandparents - Maurice de BERKELEY 4th Lord Berkeley (1330-1368) +
***Elizabeth le DESPENSER (1326-1389) - A DESCENDANT OF KING EDWARD I - 19G grandparents - **Thomas Rich de BERKELEY 3rd Lord Berkeley (1296-1361) + Lady Margaret de MORTIMER (1304-1337)
- 20G grandparents - Maurice de BERKELEY 2nd Lord Berkeley (1281-1326) + Eve la ZOUCHE (1281-1314) AND his son
DESPENSER, de CLARE, PLANTAGENET
The first royal connection:
- 18G grandparents - ***Elizabeth le DESPENSER (1326-1389) + Maurice de BERKELEY 4th Lord Berkeley (1330-1368)
- 19G grandparents - Hugh le DESPENSER 2nd Lord Despenser (1285-1326) + Lady Eleanor de CLARE (1292-1337)
- 20G grandparents - Gilbert de CLARE 6th Earl of Gloucester and Herford + Joan [PLANTAGENET] of England (1272-1307) - sister of King Edward II
- 21G grandparents - Edward I King of England [PLANTAGENET] (1239-1307) + Eleanor of CASTILE (1241-1290)
DENNIS, BEAUFORT, PLANTAGENET
Another path back through the DENNIS and BEAUFORT lines leads to another royal connection:
- 13G grandparents - Isabel DENNIS ( ->1546) + Sir John BERKELEY (1510-1546) [triple connection]
- 14G grandparents - Sir William DENNIS (1470-1533) + Ann BERKELEY (->1523) [double connection]
- 15G grandparents - Sir Walter DENNIS (1434-1505) + Agnes DANVERS ( -1518)
- 16G grandparents - Joan (Katherine) STADLING (1417-1437) + Maurice DENNIS (1410-1466)
- 17G grandparents - Joan BEAUFORT (1403-1479) + Sir Edward STRADLING (1389-<1452)
- 18G grandparents - Cardinal Henry BEAUFORT (1375-1447) + Lady Alice FITALAN (1384-<1415
- 19G grandparents - John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster (1340-1399) + Katherine de ROET (1340-1403)
- 20G grandparents - Edward III King of England (1312-1377) + Philippa of Hainault (1311-1369)
- 21G grandparents - Edward II King of England (1284-1327) + Isabella of France (1292-1358)
One of the interesting manifestations of all this mixing and mingling is that
both King Edward I and his son King Edward II are my 21-times-great grandfathers!
both King Edward I and his son King Edward II are my 21-times-great grandfathers!
Moyles Court, Hampshire, EnglandHome of the Beconshaw an Lisle family.
BECONSAW - also BECONSAWE, BECONSHAWE, BECHONSHAW ...
Alicia Beconsaw's line has been tentatively traced back further thanks to online peerage sources:
Perhaps this early "Beconsaw" location is in the Leyland area of Lancashire?
Might it refer to “Hesketh-with-Becconsall” which is to the north-west of Leyland where the rivers Ribble and Douglas branch?
Reference: 'Hesketh-with-Becconsall', in A History of the County of Lancaster: Volume 6, ed. William Farrer and J Brownbill (London, 1911), pp. 111-114. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol6/pp111-114
Alicia Beconsaw's line has been tentatively traced back further thanks to online peerage sources:
- 9G grandparents - Lady Alice BECONSAW (1617-1685) + Lord John LISLE (1609-1664)
- 10G grandparents - Sir White BECONSHAWE (1590-1638) + Edith BOND (c1590-1623)
- 11G grandparents - William BECONSHAWE (c1540- ) + Alice WHITE (c1550-1622)
- 12G grandparents - Richard BECONSAW + Mary WILLMOT (d/o Eward Willmot of Newent Gloster)
- 13G grandparents - Walter BECONSAW of Harley Westpill, Southton, Hants + ?
- 14G grandparents - John BECONSAW of Southton Hants+ ?
- 15G grandparents - John BECONSAW of Beconsaw in Com. Lanck.
Perhaps this early "Beconsaw" location is in the Leyland area of Lancashire?
Might it refer to “Hesketh-with-Becconsall” which is to the north-west of Leyland where the rivers Ribble and Douglas branch?
Reference: 'Hesketh-with-Becconsall', in A History of the County of Lancaster: Volume 6, ed. William Farrer and J Brownbill (London, 1911), pp. 111-114. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol6/pp111-114
Sources and further reading:
"The Regicide's Widow - Lady Alice Lisle and the Bloody Assize", a book by Antony Whitaker, OBE, published 2006 by Sutton Publishing Limited. ISBN 0-7509-4434-X - see description on amazon.com
Alice Lisle - wikipedia
Moyles Court & Lady Alice Lisle - Mysterious Britain & Ireland site
Reformation History - wikipedia (Lisles not mentioned)
Pedigrees from the visitation of Hampshire made by Thomas Benolt... v.64 - 1530, 1575, and 1622-1634 [Beconsaw]
BOND
According the Burke's "Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry", volume 1, page 122 [google books], the BOND family pedigree was recorded at the Heralds’ Visitation of Dorset in 1623. “The Bonds of the Isle of Purbeck spring from a branch which settled at Hache Beauchamp, in Somersetshire, where John le Bonnd was living in the 1st year of King Edward III, 1827. ... their first connection with Purbeck arose from a marriage of Robert Bond, of Hache Beauchamp, in 1431?, 9th Henry VI, with a dau and heiress of ____ Lutton, of Lutton, in the parish of Steeple ...”
Another edition of this book [archive.org] lists similar information on page 159.
Edith BOND's parents William and Anne were married in Blackmanston, Dorset in 1577:
- 9G grandparents - Lady Alice BECONSAW (1617-1685) + Lord John LISLE (1609-1664)
- 10G grandparents - Edith BOND (c1590-1623) + Sir White BECONSHAWE (1590-1638)
- 11 G grandparents - William BOND (1564-1636) + Anne LONGE (1568 Somerset - )
- 12G grandparents - Dennis BOND (1500-1560) + Alice SAMWAEYS (1505-1595; daughter of Robert SAMWAEYS)
- 13G grandparents - William BOND (1455-1530) + Elizabeth PROUZ (1474-1517)
- 14G grandparents - Robert BOND + Mary HODY - married 1453, perhaps in Hache Beauchamp, Somerset
- 15G grandfather - Robert BOND - alive in 1431.
Sources and further reading:
The Bond Family - Tyneham Village website
WHITAKER
Spelling variations for this surname include Whitaker, Whittaker, Whiteaker, Whitacre ...
My WHITAKER descent from Rev. Robert Whitaker (1637-1683) who married Margaret Lisle (1643-1686), daughter of Lord John Lisle is tenuous, mainly because it is hard to prove their connection to my Jeremiah Whitaker, their probable son. There seems to be a lack of confirmed primary evidence available for his birth or parentage.
There are a LOT of trees on ancestry.com and elsewhere that list Jeremiah Whitaker as son of Robert and Margaret. Many list a birth date of 20 Apr 1679 Hampshire. A couple list his baptism 22 Apr 1679. A few mention his death 12 Aug 1719. Some mention his spouse Ann Huskill or Haskell (1670-1718) who he married in 1703 or 1706 in Dorset, and children Jeremiah Jr (1700 or 1707?) among others. All reference other trees; no original sources.
The “Original” source seems to be one or more early trees on familysearch.org including Ancestral File Number 1GMZ-B1V submitted by sdenos3889246 and jpspicer197451 - SHIRLEY A/DENOS (2259175) DR. J. PAT/SPICER/ (2506662) :
Jeremiah Whitaker, son of Robert Whitaker (1637-1682) and Margaret Lisle (1639-27Mar1686)
birth: 20 April 1679 Burgate Hampshire England
christening: 22 April 1679 Fordingbridge Hampshire England
burial: 12 Aug 1719
But I have been unable to find the parish source for this christening online, so haven't verified this.
According to a will for Jeremiah or Jeremy Whitaker probated 16 Feb 1719 [sic*], his last residence was Charleton Marshall, Dorset, England. "All my children" were but not named in his will, nor were his parents. But his wife Anne, father-in-law Mr John Haskell and his brother Mr James Whitaker are named. Also mentioned in this will are "friends Mrs Grove, Lady Russell and Miss Russell, Charles Croft Lisle Esqr and his Lady", who were to be presented with rings by "Anne by dear wife" at 20s apiece.
* Converting this date to the new calendar, the will was probably probated 16 Feb 1720, which makes more sense if he wasn't buried until 12 Aug 1719! From the images of the will, it was signed 7 Aug 1719 during his final days. I have tried to read the probate summary at the end but it is in Latin (which I can’t read). Although I can't confirm the complete date, the word “ffebruary” is clearly recognizable. Others report that his will was probated 17 Feb 1720.
The important question here is: Which Jeremiah moved to Dorset and married Anne Huskill or Haskell? I haven't yet been able to trace with certainty that particular Jeremiah back to Hampshire roots. Unfortunately there are other Jeremiah Whitakers around the same age (different parents and places) that makes this lineage uncertain.
If this connection is false, then this also falsifies my connection to Lord John Lisle and Lady Beconshaw and their royal connections.
HOWEVER ...
The most compelling, supporting arguments for Jeremiah Whitaker, who married Anne Haskell and who wrote a will in 1719, have been presented by researcher Henry Marillier of England (sourced below). Most importantly, Henry has identified the "friends" listed in Jeremiah's will as being close Lisle relatives!
Supporting evidence:
So with much more confidence, here is Claudia's maternal pedigree leading back to this LISLE and BECONSAW couple through the WHITAKER line:
* From other trees, Robert WHITAKER's father is reported to be either another Robert, or William Whitaker. Not yet confirmed.
Spelling variations for this surname include Whitaker, Whittaker, Whiteaker, Whitacre ...
My WHITAKER descent from Rev. Robert Whitaker (1637-1683) who married Margaret Lisle (1643-1686), daughter of Lord John Lisle is tenuous, mainly because it is hard to prove their connection to my Jeremiah Whitaker, their probable son. There seems to be a lack of confirmed primary evidence available for his birth or parentage.
There are a LOT of trees on ancestry.com and elsewhere that list Jeremiah Whitaker as son of Robert and Margaret. Many list a birth date of 20 Apr 1679 Hampshire. A couple list his baptism 22 Apr 1679. A few mention his death 12 Aug 1719. Some mention his spouse Ann Huskill or Haskell (1670-1718) who he married in 1703 or 1706 in Dorset, and children Jeremiah Jr (1700 or 1707?) among others. All reference other trees; no original sources.
The “Original” source seems to be one or more early trees on familysearch.org including Ancestral File Number 1GMZ-B1V submitted by sdenos3889246 and jpspicer197451 - SHIRLEY A/DENOS (2259175) DR. J. PAT/SPICER/ (2506662) :
Jeremiah Whitaker, son of Robert Whitaker (1637-1682) and Margaret Lisle (1639-27Mar1686)
birth: 20 April 1679 Burgate Hampshire England
christening: 22 April 1679 Fordingbridge Hampshire England
burial: 12 Aug 1719
But I have been unable to find the parish source for this christening online, so haven't verified this.
According to a will for Jeremiah or Jeremy Whitaker probated 16 Feb 1719 [sic*], his last residence was Charleton Marshall, Dorset, England. "All my children" were but not named in his will, nor were his parents. But his wife Anne, father-in-law Mr John Haskell and his brother Mr James Whitaker are named. Also mentioned in this will are "friends Mrs Grove, Lady Russell and Miss Russell, Charles Croft Lisle Esqr and his Lady", who were to be presented with rings by "Anne by dear wife" at 20s apiece.
* Converting this date to the new calendar, the will was probably probated 16 Feb 1720, which makes more sense if he wasn't buried until 12 Aug 1719! From the images of the will, it was signed 7 Aug 1719 during his final days. I have tried to read the probate summary at the end but it is in Latin (which I can’t read). Although I can't confirm the complete date, the word “ffebruary” is clearly recognizable. Others report that his will was probated 17 Feb 1720.
The important question here is: Which Jeremiah moved to Dorset and married Anne Huskill or Haskell? I haven't yet been able to trace with certainty that particular Jeremiah back to Hampshire roots. Unfortunately there are other Jeremiah Whitakers around the same age (different parents and places) that makes this lineage uncertain.
If this connection is false, then this also falsifies my connection to Lord John Lisle and Lady Beconshaw and their royal connections.
HOWEVER ...
The most compelling, supporting arguments for Jeremiah Whitaker, who married Anne Haskell and who wrote a will in 1719, have been presented by researcher Henry Marillier of England (sourced below). Most importantly, Henry has identified the "friends" listed in Jeremiah's will as being close Lisle relatives!
- Jeremiah Whitaker Newman, an old and respected resident of Ringwood, who died in 1839, and was a grandson of Jeremiah Whitaker, had in his possession a copy of Robert Whitaker's funeral sermon, and on it he had written, "My great grandfather's funeral sermon; he married Margaret, daughter of John Lisle, Chancellor of England, and Alicia, his wife, who was beheaded at Winchester." (Signed J. Newman).
- The Nicholson branch of the family have a ring, which has always been handed down from mother to daughter, and which is said to have been given by Alicia Lisle to one of her daughters on the eve of her execution; and moreover it has always been understood in the family that they were descended from that ill-fated lady.
- Charles Crooke Lisle, the grandson of Alicia Lisle, in his will mentions his godson Charles Lisle Whitaker, who is proved to be a grandson of Robert and Margaret Whitaker; and
- Jeremiah Whitaker, the father of Charles Lisle Whitaker, in his will leaves memorial rings to "Cha Crooke Lisle Esq. & his Lady," as well as to Mrs. (Triphena) Grove, a daughter of Alicia Lisle, Lady Russell, her daughter, and Miss Russell, the daughter of the latter.
Supporting evidence:
- Charles Lisle Whitaker: According to his baptism record, Charles Whitaker, son of Jeremiah and Ann Whitaker, was baptised 24 Apr 1716 in Charlton Marshall, Dorset England (where Jeremiah lived in 1719 as per his will). Charles was buried on 27 Oct 1735 in Salisbury, Wiltshire.
- Chas Crooke Lisle: Charles Crooke Lisle (1684-1721), son of John Lisle (son of John and Alicia Lisle) and Catherine Crooke, married Lucy Molyneux. He died without issue.
- Mrs. Grove: Tryphena Lisle (c1645), daughter of John and Alicia Lisle, married twice. Her second husband was Robert Grove.
- Miss Russell: Elizabeth Lloyd (1681-c1737), daughter of Tryphena Lisle by her first husband Richard Lloyd, married Lord James Russell (1651-1712).
- Jeremiah Whitaker Newman: He was baptised 30 Aug 1760 in Ringwood Hampshire, son of Arthur Newman (1727-1785) and Joanna Whitaker (1730-1790), daughter of Jeremiah Whitaker Jr (1707- ) and Joanna Kittier or Hellier. Jeremiah Jr was son of Jeremiah Whitaker and Ann Haskell. - great grandparents of Jeremiah Whitaker Newman.
- Nicholson branch: Isabella Maudsley (1766-1830) married William Nicholson. Isabella was the daughter of Henry Maudsley (1726-1780) and Margaret Whitaker (c1737-1792), daughter of William Whitaker 1708-1767 who was a son of Jeremiah Whitaker and Ann Haskell.
So with much more confidence, here is Claudia's maternal pedigree leading back to this LISLE and BECONSAW couple through the WHITAKER line:
- Mother - Mabel Marion ANDREW (1918-2000)
- Grandparents - Harry Charles ANDREW (1889-1985) + Eleanor Louise "Nell" RICHARDSON (1894-1992)
- 1G grandparents - Harriet Washbourne COMPTON (1849-1923) + William ANDREW (1848-1920)
- 2G grandparents - Albert Harry COMPTON (1823-1889) + Mary Robinson COATES (1827-1905) ALSO Eliza Pring COMPTON (1833-1890, sister of Albert Harry) + George COMPTON (1835-1903) [For explanation of triple Compton connection - see COMPTON page.]
- 3G grandparents - Thomas Compton COMPTON (c1789-1850) + Hannah JEFFERY (1790-1871)
- 4G grandparents - Charlotte Lisle NEWMAN (1760-1789) + Harry Childeroy COMPTON [see COMPTON Family Tree
- 5G grandparents - Joanna WHITAKER (1730-1790) + Arthur NEWMAN (1727-1785)
- 6G grandparents - Jeremiah WHITAKER Jr. (1707- ) + Joanna KITTIER / HELLIER ()
- 7G grandparents - Jeremiah WHITAKER (1679-1719) + Ann Haskell (1681-1718)
- 8G grandparents - Margaret LISLE (1643-1686) + Robert WHITAKER (1637-1683)*
- 9G grandparents - Lord John LISLE (1609-1664) + Lady Alice BECONSAW (1617-1685)
* From other trees, Robert WHITAKER's father is reported to be either another Robert, or William Whitaker. Not yet confirmed.
Sources and further reading:
The Genealogist, Volume VI, including “Descendants of Alice Lisle” by Henry Marillier, pgs 12 to 15 [links to page 15, image 8 of 12]
LISLE Family Tree - Anthony LISLE & Elizabeth DORMER - 12 Generation Family Tree
COMPTON Family Tree - Edward COMPTON & Isabell MILLS - 12 Generation Family Tree
Also check out our blog for COMPTON-related stories.
COMPTON Family Tree - Edward COMPTON & Isabell MILLS - 12 Generation Family Tree
Also check out our blog for COMPTON-related stories.
