LISLE and BECONSAW Genealogy - including WHITAKER, HUNGERFORD, BOND
These branches connect to Claudia's COMPTON maternal lines.
LISLE Family Tree - Anthony LISLE & Elizabeth DORMER - 12 Generation Family Tree
LISLE Family Tree - Anthony LISLE & Elizabeth DORMER - 12 Generation Family Tree
Claudia's 9-times-great grandparents Lord John LISLE (1609-1664) and Lady Alice BECONSAW (1617-1685) are both notorious in their own right. Both had aristocratic beginnings, but risked it all when they aligned themselves with Cromwell and the anti-royalists, as well as the religious non-conformists. For more intrigue about these 2 ancestors, read my blog stories about Lord John Lisle's regicide and Lady's Alice Beconsaw Lisle's beheading. Their daughter Margaret LISLE (1643-1686) also married a non-conformist Robert WHITAKER (1637-1683).
Here is Claudia's maternal pedigree leading back to this LISLE and BECONSAW couple:
- Mother - Mabel Marion ANDREW (1918-2000)
- Grandparents - Harry Charles ANDREW (1889-1985) + Eleanor Louise "Nell" RICHARDSON (1894-1992)
- 1G grandparents - Harriet Washbourne COMPTON (1849-1923) + William ANDREW (1848-1920)
- 2G grandparents - Albert Harry COMPTON (1823-1889) + Mary Robinson COATES (1827-1905) ALSO Eliza Pring COMPTON (1833-1890, sister of Albert Harry) + George COMPTON (1835-1903) [For explanation of triple Compton connection - see COMPTON page.]
- 3G grandparents - Thomas Compton COMPTON (c1789-1850) + Hannah JEFFERY (1790-1871)
- 4G grandparents - Charlotte Lisle NEWMAN (1760-1789) + Harry Childeroy COMPTON [see COMPTON Family Tree
- 5G grandparents - Joanna WHITAKER (1730-1790) + Arthur NEWMAN (1727-1785)
- 6G grandparents - Jeremiah WHITAKER Jr. (1707- ) + Joanna KITTIER / HELLIER ()
- 7G grandparents - Jeremiah WHITAKER (1679-1719) + Ann Haskell (1681-1718)
- 8G grandparents - Margaret LISLE (1643-1686) + Robert WHITAKER (1637-1683)
- 9G grandparents - Lord John LISLE (1609-1664) + Lady Alice BECONSAW (1617-1685)
Much is already posted online about Lord John's paternal LISLE ancestors, and even more about his maternal HUNGERFORD ancestors. But not everyone agrees on the details!
LISLE
Continuing the above male LISLE line:
"The Complete Peerage" series of books published in the late 1800s lists several different Lisle peerages, including one in the Isle of Wight. But these editions do not list my 9th great grandfather Lord John Lisle (1609-1664). In a later edition of The Complete Peerage, volume 4, 1916, buried in an Appendix G relating to ‘The Protectorate House of Lords, commonly known as Cromwell’s “Other House,” 1657-1659’, our John is listed on page 622 as John Lisle, Regicide, of Moyles Court, Ellingham, Southants, son and heir of Sir William Lisle of Wootton, Isle of Wight, by Bridge, daughter of Sir John Hungerford of Down Ampney, Gloucester; b. 1609 … and otherwise provides information on his lifetime and not his ancestors. No title is referenced.
Other sources claim to have traced this LISLE lineage back even further to about 1170 when they were known as “de Insula” The surname “LISLE” doesn't appear to have been used until sometime in the 1400s.
Continuing the above male LISLE line:
- 10G grandparents - Sir William LISLE (1569-1637) + Bridget HUNGERFORD (1565- )
- 11G grandparents - Anthony LISLE (1540-1595) + Elizabeth DORMER (1544-1594) ...
"The Complete Peerage" series of books published in the late 1800s lists several different Lisle peerages, including one in the Isle of Wight. But these editions do not list my 9th great grandfather Lord John Lisle (1609-1664). In a later edition of The Complete Peerage, volume 4, 1916, buried in an Appendix G relating to ‘The Protectorate House of Lords, commonly known as Cromwell’s “Other House,” 1657-1659’, our John is listed on page 622 as John Lisle, Regicide, of Moyles Court, Ellingham, Southants, son and heir of Sir William Lisle of Wootton, Isle of Wight, by Bridge, daughter of Sir John Hungerford of Down Ampney, Gloucester; b. 1609 … and otherwise provides information on his lifetime and not his ancestors. No title is referenced.
Other sources claim to have traced this LISLE lineage back even further to about 1170 when they were known as “de Insula” The surname “LISLE” doesn't appear to have been used until sometime in the 1400s.
Sources and further reading:
"John Lisle, Regicide" Bio, British civil war site
'The Regicides", BCW Project site
"John Lisle" - Wikipedia
Sir John Lisle (1366-1408), History of Parliament site [his ancestors and heritage]
The Complete Peerage, Vol 4, 1916, Appendix G, p622 - John Lisle, Regicide, internet archives
History, De Insula of Wodyton c.1080 – 1837, Wootton Bridge Historical site
Pedigrees from the visitation of Hampshire made by Thomas Benolt... v.64 - 1530, 1575, and 1622-1634 [Lisle]
HUNGERFORD
Lord John LISLE's mother Bridget HUNGERFORD (1565- ) is said to descend from King Edward III of England. Sources vary as to how.
- 11G grandparents - John HUNGERFORD ( -1634) + Mary BERKELEY (1456-1628) ...
[More coming soon]
Moyles Court, Hampshire, EnglandHome of the Beconshaw an Lisle family.
BECONSAW - also BECONSAWE, BECONSHAWE, BECHONSHAW ...
Alice Beconsaw's line has been tentatively traced back further thanks to online peerage sources:
Perhaps this early "Beconsaw" location is in the Leyland area of Lancashire?
Might it refer to “Hesketh-with-Becconsall” which is to the north-west of Leyland where the rivers Ribble and Douglas branch?
Reference: 'Hesketh-with-Becconsall', in A History of the County of Lancaster: Volume 6, ed. William Farrer and J Brownbill (London, 1911), pp. 111-114. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol6/pp111-114
Alice Beconsaw's line has been tentatively traced back further thanks to online peerage sources:
- 10 G grandparents - Sir White BECONSHAWE (1590-1638) + Edith BOND (c1590-1623)
- 11 G grandparents - William BECONSHAWE (c1540- ) + Alice WHITE (c1550-1622)
- 12 G grandparents - Richard BECONSAW + Mary WILLMOT (d/o Eward Willmot of Newent Gloster)
- 13 G grandparents - Walter BECONSAW of Harley Westpill, Southton, Hants + ?
- 14 G grandparents - John BECONSAW of Southton Hants+ ?
- 15 G grandparents - John BECONSAW of Beconsaw in Com. Lanck.
Perhaps this early "Beconsaw" location is in the Leyland area of Lancashire?
Might it refer to “Hesketh-with-Becconsall” which is to the north-west of Leyland where the rivers Ribble and Douglas branch?
Reference: 'Hesketh-with-Becconsall', in A History of the County of Lancaster: Volume 6, ed. William Farrer and J Brownbill (London, 1911), pp. 111-114. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol6/pp111-114
Sources and further reading:
"The Regicide's Widow - Lady Alice Lisle and the Bloody Assize", a book by Antony Whitaker, OBE, published 2006 by Sutton Publishing Limited. ISBN 0-7509-4434-X - see description on amazon.com
Alice Lisle - wikipedia
Moyles Court & Lady Alice Lisle - Mysterious Britain & Ireland site
Reformation History - wikipedia (Lisles not mentioned)
Pedigrees from the visitation of Hampshire made by Thomas Benolt... v.64 - 1530, 1575, and 1622-1634 [Beconsaw]
BOND
According the Burke's "Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry", volume 1, page 122 [google books], the BOND family pedigree was recorded at the Heralds’ Visitation of Dorset in 1623. “The Bonds of the Isle of Purbeck spring from a branch which settled at Hache Beauchamp, in Somersetshire, where John le Bonnd was living in the 1st year of King Edward III, 1827. ... their first connection with Purbeck arose from a marriage of Robert Bond, of Hache Beauchamp, in 1431?, 9th Henry VI, with a dau and heiress of ____ Lutton, of Lutton, in the parish of Steeple ...”
Another edition of this book [archive.org] lists similar information on page 159.
Edith BOND's parents William and Anne were married in Blackmanston, Dorset in 1577:
- 11 G grandparents - William BOND (1564-1636) + Anne LONGE (1568 Somerset - )
- 12G grandparents - Dennis BOND (1500-1560) + Alice SAMWAEYS (1505-1595; daughter of Robert SAMWAEYS)
- 13G grandparents - William BOND (1455-1530) + Elizabeth PROUZ (1474-1517)
- 14G grandparents - Robert BOND + Mary HODY - married 1453, perhaps in Hache Beauchamp, Somerset
- 15G grandfather - Robert BOND - alive in 1431.
Sources and further reading:
The Bond Family - Tyneham Village website
WHITAKER
Spelling variations for this surname include Whitaker, Whittaker, Whiteaker, Whitacre ...
My reported 8th great grandfather Robert Whitaker (1637-1683) who married Margaret Lisle (1643-1686), daughter of Lord John Lisle, is reported to be Robert Whitaker (Sr). I have not confirmed this nor have I pushed the Whitaker like back further.
My Whitaker descent from Robert and Margaret is still somewhat uncertain, starting with Robert and Margaret’s possible son Jeremiah. There seems to be a lack of confirmed primary evidence available for his birth or parentage.
There are a LOT of trees on ancestry.com and elsewhere that list Jeremiah as son of Robert and Margaret. Many list a birth date of 20 Apr 1679 Hampshire. A couple list his baptism 22 Apr 1679. A few mention his death 12 Aug 1719. Some mention his spouse Ann Huskill or Haskell (1670-1718) who he married in 1703 or 1706 in Dorset, and children Jeremiah (1700 or 1707?) among others. All reference other trees; no original sources.
The “Original” source seems to be one or more early trees on familysearch.org including Ancestral File Number 1GMZ-B1V submitted by sdenos3889246 and jpspicer197451 - SHIRLEY A/DENOS (2259175) DR. J. PAT/SPICER/ (2506662) :
Jeremiah Whitaker, son of Robert Whitaker (1637-1682) and Margaret Lisle (1639-27Mar1686)
birth: 20 April 1679 Burgate Hampshire England
christening: 22 April 1679 Fordingbridge Hampshire England
burial: 12 Aug 1719
But I have been unable to find the parish source for this christening online, so haven't verified this.
And according to the will for Jeremia or Jeremy Whitaker probated 16 Feb 1719 [sic*], his last residence was Charleton Marshall, Dorset, England. "All my children" were mentioned en masse but not named in his will, nor were his parents. But his wife Anne, father-in-law Mr John Haskell and his brother Mr James Whitaker are named.
* Converting this date to the new calendar, the will was probably probated 16 Feb 1720, which makes more sense if he wasn't buried until 12 Aug 1719! From the images of the will, it was signed 7 Aug 1719 during his final days. I have tried to read the probate summary at the end but it is in Latin (which I can’t read). Although I can't confirm the complete date, the word “ffebruary” is clearly recognizable. Others report that his will was probated 17 Feb 1720.
Unfortunately there are other Jeremiah Whitakers around the same age (different parents and places) that makes this lineage uncertain. The important question here is: Which Jeremiah moved to Dorset and married Anne Huskill or Haskell? I haven't yet been able to trace with certainty that particular Jeremiah back to Hampshire roots.
If this connection is false, then this also falsifies my connection to Lord John Lisle and Lady Beconshaw and their royal connections.
Spelling variations for this surname include Whitaker, Whittaker, Whiteaker, Whitacre ...
My reported 8th great grandfather Robert Whitaker (1637-1683) who married Margaret Lisle (1643-1686), daughter of Lord John Lisle, is reported to be Robert Whitaker (Sr). I have not confirmed this nor have I pushed the Whitaker like back further.
My Whitaker descent from Robert and Margaret is still somewhat uncertain, starting with Robert and Margaret’s possible son Jeremiah. There seems to be a lack of confirmed primary evidence available for his birth or parentage.
There are a LOT of trees on ancestry.com and elsewhere that list Jeremiah as son of Robert and Margaret. Many list a birth date of 20 Apr 1679 Hampshire. A couple list his baptism 22 Apr 1679. A few mention his death 12 Aug 1719. Some mention his spouse Ann Huskill or Haskell (1670-1718) who he married in 1703 or 1706 in Dorset, and children Jeremiah (1700 or 1707?) among others. All reference other trees; no original sources.
The “Original” source seems to be one or more early trees on familysearch.org including Ancestral File Number 1GMZ-B1V submitted by sdenos3889246 and jpspicer197451 - SHIRLEY A/DENOS (2259175) DR. J. PAT/SPICER/ (2506662) :
Jeremiah Whitaker, son of Robert Whitaker (1637-1682) and Margaret Lisle (1639-27Mar1686)
birth: 20 April 1679 Burgate Hampshire England
christening: 22 April 1679 Fordingbridge Hampshire England
burial: 12 Aug 1719
But I have been unable to find the parish source for this christening online, so haven't verified this.
And according to the will for Jeremia or Jeremy Whitaker probated 16 Feb 1719 [sic*], his last residence was Charleton Marshall, Dorset, England. "All my children" were mentioned en masse but not named in his will, nor were his parents. But his wife Anne, father-in-law Mr John Haskell and his brother Mr James Whitaker are named.
* Converting this date to the new calendar, the will was probably probated 16 Feb 1720, which makes more sense if he wasn't buried until 12 Aug 1719! From the images of the will, it was signed 7 Aug 1719 during his final days. I have tried to read the probate summary at the end but it is in Latin (which I can’t read). Although I can't confirm the complete date, the word “ffebruary” is clearly recognizable. Others report that his will was probated 17 Feb 1720.
Unfortunately there are other Jeremiah Whitakers around the same age (different parents and places) that makes this lineage uncertain. The important question here is: Which Jeremiah moved to Dorset and married Anne Huskill or Haskell? I haven't yet been able to trace with certainty that particular Jeremiah back to Hampshire roots.
If this connection is false, then this also falsifies my connection to Lord John Lisle and Lady Beconshaw and their royal connections.
LISLE Family Tree - Anthony LISLE & Elizabeth DORMER - 12 Generation Family Tree
COMPTON Family Tree - Edward COMPTON & Isabell MILLS - 12 Generation Family Tree
Also check out our blog for COMPTON-related stories.
COMPTON Family Tree - Edward COMPTON & Isabell MILLS - 12 Generation Family Tree
Also check out our blog for COMPTON-related stories.
